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this is a page about what I call “Watersian Numbers”
have you no idea of what I'm talking about here?
What are you doing here so?!?
well, Mr. Waters did not invent particular equations or a new numerical system, ermm.
if you're a real fanatic you can't have not notice some strange numbers shouted apparently at random on the 77 recordings, did you?
I honestly don’t know who first noticed them, probably some fans right during the shows, maybe just later listeners, but this is the fact: Waters used to shout (say/whisper) a number on “Pigs (3 different ones)” about in any show of the In The Flesh ’77 World Tour ... and it was premeditated since he starts right on the first date in Dortmund 77 January 23.
 ... as it was confirmed by someone very "near" to him later, it turned out to be a sorta 'game' Waters meant to do:.
He actually seemed to have the proposal to count all the tapers of that tour.
Now, even if the "calculation" he did isn't precise, thanks to his 'game' we're able to have a precise point of reference for the dating for any recording at least and a funny game to play too ....

 

Here is a comment from the one who is known to have disclosed the "Waters Numbers Game", followed by the ‘official’ list of numbers:

From : “THE PINK SIDE OF THE MOON”
(By Stefano Tarquini, based on researches made by Jean-Manuel Esnault / Phillippe Vanroy and Ingo Brode / Hans-Juergen Mueller)

There was a great curious fact in the song "Pigs (Three Different Ones)" during the 1977 tour of ANIMALS, known perhaps only by the collectors of live concerts. Just at the end of the second sung strophe (before the instrumental attack), and sometimes at the end of the third strophe, Roger shouted a number for almost all the concerts, different for every concert.
So many discussions have been made on these numbers, either to individualize the numbers exactly in every concert, either to try to understand the meaning that Roger Waters has wanted to give to them in that so particular tour.
As far as it concerns the individualization of these numbers, we thank some fans, as Jean-Manuel Esnault and Phillippe Vanroy on one side, Ingo Brode and Hans-Juergen Mueller from the other (and the omnipresent Vernon Fitch, too), if we can finally have a complete list of these numbers. Times and times to listen to the live-tapes of the tour, directly or indirectly, and so we can have an enough complete list, even if confirmed not officially by the components of the Floyds, above all Roger Waters. This motive makes this list of numbers the more adjourned and sure of the net! Some fans have called this particular situation of the tour of Animals the "Roger Waters Numbers Game", almost to underline that it was a game from Roger.
For the meaning that Roger Waters wanted to give at these numbers, it has been really the author of this website to disclose the mystery. In 1986, during the searches for the writing of the book "SCACCO MATTO", Stefano Tarquini and Nino Gatti have written to one of the Floyds directly, Nick Mason, at the Britain Row Studios in London. The drummer, through his agent and friend, Ben Sutton, has answeered me that the numbers shouted from Waters in "Pigs" were to identify the bootlegs recordings (literally in the letter: "...The numbers in Pigs that you mentioned were... ..to identify bootleg recordings!").

OFFICIAL LIST OF WATERSIAN NUMBERS: (I’ve put 3 yellow asterisks where the number is wrong or omitted)

European tour:

 

23.01.1977 Dortmund, Westfalenhalle  (-/1)

24.01.1977 Dortmund, Westfalenhalle  (2/-)

26.01.1977 Francoforte, Festhalle

27.01.1977 Francoforte, Festhalle  (-/-)

29.01.1977 Berlino Ovest, Deutschlandhalle  (-/5)

30.01.1977 Berlino Ovest, Deutschlandhalle  (-/8) ***

01.02.1977 Vienna, Stadthalle  (-/6)

03.02.1977 Zurigo, Hallenstadion  (8/8)

04.02.1977 Zurigo, Hallenstadion  (-/-)

17.02.1977 Rotterdam, Oude Ahoy Hallen  (-/10)

18.02.1977 Rotterdam, Oude Ahoy Hallen  (11/-)

19.02.1977 Rotterdam, Oude Ahoy Hallen  (12/-)

20.02.1977 Antwerpen, Sportpaleis  (-/13)

22.02.1977 Parigi, Pavillion De Paris  (-/-)

23.02.1977 Parigi, Pavillion De Paris  (-/14)

24.02.1977 Parigi, Pavillion De Paris  (15/-)

25.02.1977 Parigi, Pavillion De Paris  (-/6,1)

27.02.1977 Monaco, Olympiahalle  (-/17)

28.02.1977 Monaco, Olympiahalle  (-/18)

01.03.1977 Monaco, Olympiahalle

15.03.1977 Londra, Empire Pool Arena  (-/21)

16.03.1977 Londra, Empire Pool Arena  (-/-)

17.03.1977 Londra, Empire Pool Arena  (-/22)

18.03.1977 Londra, Empire Pool Arena  (-/23)

19.03.1977 Londra, Empire Pool Arena  (-/24)

28.03.1977 Stafford, New Bingley Hall

29.03.1977 Stafford, New Bingley Hall

30.03.1977 Stafford, New Bingley Hall  (-/27)

31.03.1977 Stafford, New Bingley Hall  (-/28)

 

US tour:

 

22.04.1977 Miami, Baseball Stadium (-/30)
24.04.1977 Tampa, Tampa Stadium (31/-)
26.04.1977 Atlanta, The Omni Coliseum (-/?) ***
28.04.1977 Baton Rouge, L. State University (-/33)
30.04.1977 Houston, Jeppeson Stadium (35/34) ***
01.05.1977 Fort Worth, Tarrant C.Conv. Center (-/34)
04.05.1977 Phoenix, The Coliseum
06.05.1977 Anaheim, Anaheim Stadium (-/40) ***
07.05.1977 Anaheim, Anaheim Stadium (-/30,10)
09.05.1977 Oakland, Alameda Coliseum (-/-)
10.05.1977 Oakland, Alameda Coliseum (-/-)***
12.05.1977 Portland, Memorial Coliseum
15.06.1977 Milwaukee, County Stadium (-/41) ***
17.06.1977 Louisville, Freedom Hall
19.06.1977 Chicago, Soldier Field (-/44)
21.06.1977 Kansas City, Kemper Arena
23.06.1977 Cincinnati, Riverfront Stadium
25.06.1977 Cleveland, Municipal Stadium (46/46) ***
27.06.1977 Boston, Boston Gardens (48/48)
28.06.1977 Philadelphia, The Spectrum
29.06.1977 Philadelphia, The Spectrum (-/50)
01.07.1977 New York C., Madison Square Garden (-/-)
02.07.1977 New York C., Madison Square Garden (-/-)
03.07.1977 New York C., Madison Square Garden (-/19,53)
04.07.1977 New York C., Madison Square Garden (-/19,54)
06.07.1977 Montréal, Stade Du Parc Olympique (-/90,61)

 

 

Below you’ll find my list, that I can guarantee to be the most complete and accurate in circulation
So here the game starts ...
 

 

THE NUMBER

date/veue

number of the recorders in circulation

verse the number was revealed

the number(s) is(are)...

further notes

1 January 23 - Westfalenhalle, Dortmund, Germany 3(audience) 3rd

shouted

recorder 2 is missing "Pigs"
2 January 24 - Westfalenhalle, Dortmund, Germany 1(audience) 2nd

shouted

 
3?? January 26 - Festhalle, Frankfurt, West Germany 0(audience) ??? ?? no recordings are circulating
NO January 27 - Festhalle, Frankfurt, West Germany 3(audience) no / no

not revealed

rcorder 1 is missing great part of "Sheep" and has no encore.
5 January 29 - Deutschlandhalle, Berlin, West Germany 1(audience) + 1(SBD) 3rd yelled clearly  
6 January 30 - Deutschlandhalle, Berlin, West Germany 4(audience) 3rd

choked

only "Pigs" is available from recorder 2
 
6 February 1 - Stadthalle, Vienna, Austria 2(audience) + 1(SBD)+ 1(video) 3rd

said

the SBD source doesn't have "Pigs" /audience recorder 2 is incomplete
 
8/8 February 3 - Hallenstadion, Zurich, Switzerland 3(audience) 2nd / 3rd

said twice

far from the microphone on 2nd verse >  near to the microphoneon 3rd verse
 
9? February 4 - Hallenstadion, Zurich, Switzerland 1(audience) ??? ?? does exist a recording of the show that doesn't include "Pigs" the Pigs included in this recording are often if not always  from January 30 A/2
 
10 February 17 - Oude Ahoy Hallen, Rotterdam, NL 2(audience) 3rd said clearly  
 
11 February 18 - Oude Ahoy Hallen, Rotterdam, NL 3(audience) 2nd sneered  
 
12 February 19 - Oude Ahoy Hallen, Rotterdam, NL 2(audience) 3rd whispered  
 
13 February 20 - Sportpaleis, Antwerp, Belgium 1(audience) 3rd said some tapes are mislabeled and are really Paris 22.2.77
 
NO February 22 - Pavillion de Paris, Paris, France 1(audience) no / no not revealed there's a bass tune instead of a number on 3rd verse (exactly a scale of 5 notes).
 
14 February 23 - Pavillion de Paris, Paris, France 1(audience) 3rd said clearly  
 
15 February 24 - Pavillion de Paris, Paris, France 2(audience) 2nd said  
 
6+1 February 25 - Pavillion de Paris, Paris, France 1(audience) 3rd said  
 
17 February 27 - Olympiahalle, Munich, Germany 1(audience) 3rd sung  
 
18 February 28 - Olympiahalle, Munich, Germany 4(audience) 3rd said  
 
19?? March 1 - Olympiahalle, Munich, Germany 0 ??? ?? no recordings are circulating
 
21 March 15 - Empire Pool, Wembley, England 2(audience) 3rd shouted U&T  included in Knobs is supposed from another date, I do believe it's genuine, though it's just a little part repeated.
 
NO March 16 - Empire Pool, Wembley, England 1(audience) no / no not revealed  
 
22+aaw-aaw (or 20-2-1) March 17 - Empire Pool, Wembley, England 1(audience) 3rd shouted to me it sounds rather as a "twenty-two-one", not exactly a "twenty-two"
 
23+aaww March 18 - Empire Pool, Wembley, England 2(audience) 3rd shouted recorder 2 is incomplete
 
24 March 19 - Empire Pool, Wembley, England 1(audience) 3rd said cut on SOYCD (6-9) + usually a 20 minutes interview as bonus
 
?? March 28 - New Bingley Hall, Stafford, England 0 ??? ?? no recordings are circulating
 
26?? March 29 - New Bingley Hall, Stafford, England 0 ??? ?? no recordings are circulating
 
27 March 30 - New Bingley Hall, Stafford, England 2(audience) 3rd sung  
 
28 March 31 - New Bingley Hall, Stafford, England 2?(audience) 3dr murmured  
 
30 April 22 - Baseball Stadium, Miami, Florida 2(audience) 3rd yelled clearly  
 
31 April 24 - Tampa Stadium, Tampa, Florida 2?(audience) 2nd shouted  
 
NO April 26 - The Omni, Atlanta, Georgia 2(audience) no / no not revealed  
 
33+aww April 28 - Assembly Center, Baton Rouge, Louisiana 1(audience) 3rd shouted  
 
34or35 April 30 - Jeppesen Stadium, Houston, Texas 1(audience) 3rd shouted  
 
34 May 1 - Tarrant County Center, Forth Worth, TX 1(audience) 3rd shouted my favorite gig/recording :)
 
?? May 4 - The Coliseum, Phoenix, Arizona 0 ??? ?? no recordings are circulating
 
34or35 May 6 - Anaheim Stadium, Anaheim, California 2(audience) 3rd super-distorted can't be 40 as supposed, at most 41 / recorder 2 is incomplete
 
30+10 May 7 - Anaheim Stadium, Anaheim, California 1(audience) 3rd screeched someone thinks it's a 32
 
NO May 9 - Alameda Coliseum, Oakland, California 1(audience) no / no not revealed sounds like a SBD
 
40 + ? May 10 - Alameda Coliseum, Oakland, California 1(audience) 2nd distorted no number was supposed to be revealed
 
?? May 12 - Memorial Coliseum, Portland, Oregon 0 ??? ?? no recordings are circulating
 
41/40+eaw June 15 - County Stadium, Milwaukee, Wisconsin 1(audience) 2nd / 3rd yelled twice 40 is  really 40+something, to me it's just 40 + eaoww / the 41 'appears' between the 2nd and the 3rd verse
 
42?? June 17 - Freedom Hall, Louisville, Kentucky 0 ??? ?? no recordings are circulating
 
44 June 19 - Soldier Field, Chicago, Illinois 2(audience) 2nd said with reverberation second recorder is around in mp3 only :(
 
?? June 21 - Kemper Arena, Kansas City, Missouri 0 ??? ?? no recordings are circulating
 
45?? June 23 - Riverfront Stadium, Cincinnati, Ohio 0 ??? ?? no recordings are circulating
 
46/45 June 25 - Municipal Stadium, Cleveland, Ohio 1(audience) 2nd / 3rd said I can hear a 40+something at 11:56 too...bah :P
 
48/48 June 27 - Boston Gardens, Boston, Massachusetts 1(audience) 2nd / 3rd belched/shouted-in-a-low-voice the first 48 'appears' between the 2nd and the 3rd verse ...as at Milwaukee
 
49?? June 28 - The Spectrum, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 0 ??? ?? a recording is circulating but it's mislabeled as 29.06.77
 
50 June 29 - The Spectrum, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 1(audience) 3rd said Waters forced to leave after Money due to illness / second source used as filler is from high gen copies of the same recorder
 
NO July 1 - Madison Square Garden, New York City, NY 3(audience) no / no not revealed Waters 'gives up' his game this night ... no numbers during Pigs ... just a BIG firework on 3rd verse (sounds rather as a bomb)
           
NO July 2 - Madison Square Garden, New York City, NY 1(audience) no / no not revealed other roios  include just the WYWH set (same recorder that this... though maybe there's a second one??)
 
19+53 July 3 - Madison Square Garden, New York City, NY 2(audience) 3rd shouted clearly  
 
19+54 July 4 - Madison Square Garden, New York City, NY 3(audience) 3rd said  
 
19+61 July 6 - Olympic Stadium, Montreal, Quebec, Canada 3(audience) 3rd yelled  

 

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