1973 March 17/18 WATERBURY vs RADIO CITY MUSIC HALL
upadated from June 2008
many thanks to T! for the RCMH & Waterbury Ticket's!!
do not use them without permission!
setlist: Obscured by Clouds / When You're In / Set The Controls For The Heart Of The Sun / Careful with tha Axe, Eugene / Echoes / The Dark Side Of The Moon / One of These Days
every Pink fanatic dreams of at least 2 (hopefully complete) different recordings for every show, unfortunately it's rare but there are dates that seem to compensate this loss, would you like 2 different recorders of the same show? would you 3? would you 4? ... here you get 6 ... at now!
Now, the question of the date: I'm going through the matter of the date of the following recordings for few years now, but seriously started caring of it on 2004 when some new evidence surfaced leading to believe that those recordings labeled "Waterbury" were really from Radio City Music Hall, NY (73.3.17/early 18)
... still some firm points (or supposed "firm points") seemed to obstacolate the re-re-labeling of the tapes. Yes RE-RE labeling cause, as PF collectors know well, many tapes were originally labeled as Radio City Music Hall and later re-labeled as Waterbury for some reasons.
It could be nice and fair to report the great mess of info that circulated indeed, especially in the latest years, about the HUGE DILEMMA of these controversial recordings, but it would take pages and pages to tell the whole stories ... Again, there are many evidences proving that the date of these recordings listed below isn't really 73.3.18, BE READY TO LEAVE ASIDE ANY SORTA PREJUDICE AND ACQUIRED COGNITION, and above all BE READY TO CHANGE THE VENUE OF YOUR CDs/TAPEs/DATs.
0-1. the Pink Floyd show at the Radio City Music Hall scheduled on March 17,1973 started after midnight (at 1am, see tickets above) making the date of the gig to be technically March 18 (for some scrupulous ones!), this prolly led some very precise fan to label the recordings as March 18 ... 1. all the tapes of the following recorders were someway originally labeled as Radio City Music Hall either with the date 3.17 or 3.18 for the reason above....
see below the notes on the date of each recorder...
these are some of he versions I checked for recorder 1; 2; 3; 4; 5; 6:
Rec. 6 - incomplete (so far) (fantapes are around for long, but it was found recently as being from a different recorder than the other 4 ones, Originally Labelled as 73.3.17, and this time I leave it as it is :-) ; fantapes inlcude 4 songs from OBC to Echoes (cut) ... details on the way....
The 6 recorders are very similar one another in some points: recorder 2, 3 and 4 especially have many things in common!!! the tapers were very close one another as it seems... or there can be the remote sad possibility of someone faking a recorder or mixing a couple of them (recorder 4 is pretty weird), but it seems not this way so far,.
these are some points where the sources sound very similar:
Both on recorder 3 and
4 there's the same guy at the beginning yelling something + "shut up" and the
same guy coughing in the middle of the song (he coughs 3 times) but the clapping
at the end is a bit different between the 2 recorders and recorder 3 includes
the Waters' “Thank You" at the end of the song and other tunings (missing on the
recorder 4 Master). I guess these 2 tapers were really seated side by side.
|Obscured by clouds / When Your’re In|
Beginning: there's a guy near to the taper saying "oh wow" and then the same guy and others, always near to the taper, screaming "get out / sit down" at repetition; in the long version of this recorder the taper talks about the smoke before the song starts: "oh, sh** smoke!, how dense"; End of When You’re In: there's a guy yelling "woww woww, yahoo" (on the long version of the recorder a guy near to the mic says to the taper?? "is it turned on?"
Beginning: starts missing the very beginning on the first bass tunes.
End of When You’re In: there's a guy coughing after the first applauses, includes all tunings before STC.
|Recorder3||End of When You’re In: there's a guy after the last note screaming in a rough voice a sorta "woohow" ... then there are tunings where you can hear a guy talking to the taper (or the taper himself)|
End of When You’re In: just applauses then the recording cuts.
|Recorder5||hard to catch any point of distinction here, this is all I could get: some seconds into the recording during the soundscape of OBC a guy far in the back sounds as saying "pink floyd, pink floyd"; all is very noisy around the taper here (and the recording itself is noisy like a vinyl too) / soon|
|Recorder6||As soon as WYI is over a guy near to the taper yells clearly "yeah" and also screams something that to me sounds like "Where is Syd Barrett?" (very roughly), then the taper talks (he says something like "what is this?")|
|Set The Controls For The Heart Of The Sun|
the taper talks at the end
the taper screams a stuff at the beginning (“right on” ???), includes tunings before Careful.
the taper coughs soon before the first organ tunes, includes tunings before Careful where you can clearly hear a female fan talking
the beginning and the end are VERY similar on recorder 4 and 3, but here you can hear at the very end a guy brightening up his voice in the background that's not on recorder 3. (well, it is semi-perceptible but still) ... and there's not the taper coughing soon before the first organ tunes.
|Recorder6||As soon as the song is over a guy near to the taper yells clearly "yeah" (same guy as above), also, the taper moves the recorder and coughs when the bass starts playing into the song.|
|Careful With That Axe Eugene|
|Recorder1||the taper talks before CWTAE starts|
a guy yells “wow-wo-woow” at the beginning and screams yeahhh at the end, then the taper coughs on the mic during the tunings before Echoes
No tunings after the song, audience ‘comments’ are very similar to the ones on recorder 3 but the clapping at the end is different
|Recorder6||(cuts near to the end)|
|Recorder1||taper talks before the song starts and after the second ‘pin’ at the beginning of the song he says “all right” and then something + “Piggy” ... and then he goes on talking ...|
|Recorder2||at the very beginning a guy near to the taper or the taper sreams "Rock & Roll Rock" and another guy from far replies "Rock and Roll" (this was edited out in the common 'cut' version' but then the same guy says something like "mon-like face", this is on the 'cut' version too) ... at the end there’s a part of recording of the ‘break’ between the 2 sets with guys talking only.|
|Recorder3||a guy laughs and the taper coughs during the tuneups at the very beginning; after the 1st 'pin' a guy says something in a silly voice; after the second 'pin' the taper murmurs something (soon before the audience starts clapping and screaming); near to the end someone near to the recorder coughs|
|Recorder6||(cuts near to the end)|
|Speak To Me / Breathe|
|Recorder1||Speak To Me is missing; in the long version of this recorder the taper interviews his friend between the end of the 1st and the beginning of this second set: taper: "here we are at the Pink Floyd concert, the first concert here ... what do you think of this concet?" friend: "wooow" taper: "yeah, what else can you say" other guy: "say something Dave!"|
|Recorder2||starts with a guy making a sorta cry and then starting laughing with a kid-voice, then the taper moves the mic. and people start talking a lot, impossible to confuse!, when that guy makes again another cry it sounds pretty distant, guys here laughs, then as soon as Breathe starts a guy yells "woow, woohoo"|
|Recorder3||while the guy with a kid-voice laughs at the beginning people talk in the background, when he makes then another cry a guy near to the taper comments with a "woo, woo" and another guy laughs.|
|Recorder4||same guy with a kid-voice laughs at the beginning, when he makes then another cry a guy near to the taper comments with a "woo, woo" and another guy laughs, but you can distinctly hear a guy yelling "Roger!" at that point too.|
|On The Run / Time / Breathe (reprise)|
|Recorder1||at the beginning of OTR there's a guy shouting "Get Down!" near to the taper.|
|Recorder3||a guy coughs right before the clocks of Time start ringing, at the end of OTR|
|Recorder4||a guy coughs right before the clocks of Time start ringing, at the end of OTR, but sounds nearer to the taper.|
|The Great Gig In The Sky|
|Recorder2||as soon as the song ends there's a cut (change of tape?)|
|Recorder3||as soon as the song ends there's a guy clapping very near to the taper.|
|Recorder4||the song is cut after about 2:40 minutes and another source is attached as filler here, exactly recorder 1, from here luckily there's no need to consider this recorder anymore ;p|
|Us & Them|
|Recorder1||at the beginning there's a guy yelling "hey" or "yeah" and another whistling soon after that|
|Recorder2||a guy screams at the very beginning (there's a cut inside)|
|Recorder3||guys very near to the taper claps at the very beginning.|
|Recorder1||at the end, during the bells people claps very near to the taper and after the Waters' greetings there's a guy yelling "woo-wooow!- wahoo" very near to the taper as well ... then it skips on the tune-ups of One Of These Days with guys yelling "Echoes" and a guy talking near to the taper.|
|Recorder2||fades out on the Waters' greetings|
|Recorder3||Waters' greetings at the end are not included here.|
|One Of These Days|
|Recorder1||at the end a guy says "wuh wuh wuh" about during the Waters' greetings|
|Recorder2||there are the tunings before the song but then there's a tape cut and the song starts fading in / then fades out on the very last greetings.|
|Recorder3||just applauses during the last greetings, on the first bass notes, when the song starts, the recorder stops for a second.|
any comment / suggestion / addition would be