almost totally under construction
updated May 2007
this is a page about mislabeled Recordings. many of the following here listed are considered mislabeled /misdated for long ... although they still are traded as mislabeled sometimes (some are almost always) unfortunately ... here there are 2 different lists, since there are 2 kinds of misdatation: 1. "uncirculating" dates: 100% fakes! the Pink Floyd really performed in these date/places but no recordings are circulating so far; here are included misdated specific songs too, usually added as bunus tracks or in compilations.
2.
"confused" dates: recordings supposed from a certain date which has actually circulating recordings but
that are really from other dates/circulating recordings ... in this case is only the specific
version to be a
fake since both the supposed date and the actual one do exist. also here are
included specific songs used as fillers on some recordingd actually coming from
different dates than the ones claimed. (pink italics = specific songs) underlined titles/venues are linked to comments/details
I recently decided to add a 3rd section dedicated to fake tracks that largely circulated in the traders circuit for ages; they claim to be Pink Floyd demo/unreleased material usually but they are nothing you can call "genuine"; this list will be never complete I guess.
any addition? (let me know) |
| 1. "uncirculating" dates | |||||
| claimed date | claimed city/country | title commonly ascribed | real date | real venue | notes |
| 1967-01-05 | London | "Marquee Club 5.1.67" | 1967-11-13 | Ahoy Rotterdam | |
| 1967-07-23 | Carlisle, Scotland | Reaction in G, STC | 1967-09-25 |
Playhouse Theater, London |
SBD - BBC recording |
| 1968-04-19 | Piper Club, Rome | Interstellar Overdrive | 1968-05-06 | Palazzo Dello Sport, Rome | |
| 1968-09-01 | Amsterdam NL | "The Live Pink Floyd-Fantasio Club" | 1968-05-23 | Paradiso, Amsterdam | the PF never performed in Sept.01! |
| 1969-06-10 | Belfast, Ireland | "Belfast 69" | 1969-08-08 + studio | Plumpton | 2 trks from Plumpton, 2 trks from Ummagumma |
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1969-10-18 1969-10-19 |
London | no title: University College London 69-10-18; "Around The Mystic" | compilation | compilation | BIG FAKE |
| 1970-02-17 | Newcastle | A Flaming gong | 1970-03-13 | Berlin | |
| 1970-03-08 | Birmingham UK | (no titles) | 1970-03-20 | Lund, Sweden | |
| 1970-03-19 | Stockholm | AHM on some fantapes | 1970-11-26 | Stuttgart, Germany | same source as the common one |
| 1970-03-30 | Paris FR | "Le Bourget" | 1970-03-20 | Lund, Sweden | incomplete |
| 1970-04-09 | New York City | "Fillmore East 9.4.70" | 1970-04-29+70-10-23 | Fillmore West KQED + Santa Monica, CA | KQED TV recording + Santa Monica recorder 2 |
| 1970-10-16 | Edmonton | (no tiles) |
1970-09-26 +1970-10-17 |
Philadelphia + San Diego | |
| 1970-10-16 | San Rafael | all existing versions: LPs; LP transfers into CD /fantapes from LPs | 1970-10-23 | Santa Monica | recorder 2 (vinyl source) |
| 1970-10-21 |
San Francisco |
both the HL boot and various fantapes | 1970-04-29 | Fillmore West, San Francisco | |
| 1970-11-05 | Hannover | (no titles) | 1970-11-14 | Hamburg | |
| 1970-11-27 | Hannover | (no titles) | 1970-11-14 | Hamburg | |
| 1971-02-06 | London | (no titles) |
1970-11-11 or
1970-12-12 |
Gothenburg or Dagenham |
'actual' date is to be confirmed but it's not 71-2-6 |
| 1971-02-24 | Münster | (no titles) | 1970-11-25 | Ludwigshafen, Germany |
(labeled also "1971-02-24 Munich") |
| 1971-06-10 | Milan | (no titles) | 1971-06-19 | Palazzo dello Mostra, Brescia | |
| 1971-09-25 | Copenhagen | (all titles) | 1971-09-25 | Copenhagen | there are controversial opinions about the right date ... read here |
| 1971-09-28 | Stockholm | "Livestock Live In Stockholm" | 1971-09-18.19 | Montreux, Switzerland | incomplete |
| 1971-10-// | Napoli | OOTD - supposed Pompeii Rehearsals | 1971-09-31 | London BBC | official version from the broadcast |
| 1971-11-15 | New York City | "Carnegie Hall" | 1970-09-27 | Fillmore East, NY | maybe OOTD (& AHM?) are genuine |
| 1971-04-26 | Detroit | (no titles); see this version | 1971-04-27&28 | Detroit + Chicago | 1st set from 72-4-28 rec2 / 2nd set from 72-4-27 |
| 1972-05-20 | Stuttgart | "Boeblingen" | 1972-11-15 | Boeblingen | recorder 2 |
| 1972-09-17 | Big Surf, Tempe | (no titles) | 1972-02-17 | Rainbow Theatre, London | |
| 1972-09-28 | Portland | (no titles) | 1972-09-22 | Hollywoo Bowl | |
| 1973-03-15 | Philadelphia | (all titles circulating) | 1974-11-16 | London | SBD - BBC recording |
| 1973-03-17 | RadioCity Hall NY | "Dark Side Of Radio City" | 1973-03-18 | Waterbury | OR VICE VERSA |
| 1973-03-17 | RadioCity Hall NY | "Radio City Music Hall" (no label) | 1973-03-18 | Waterbury | OR VICE VERSA |
| 1973-03-17 | RadioCity Hall NY | no title (2 tracks) |
1973-03-18+ 1972-09-22 |
Waterbury+Hollywood Bowl | OR VICE VERSA + Hollywood Bowl recorder 1 |
| 1973-03-18 | Waterbury | "Dark Side Of Radio City" | 1973-03-17 | RadioCity Hall NY | OR VICE VERSA |
| 1973-03-18 | Waterbury | "Radio City Music Hall" (no label) | 1973-03-17 | RadioCity Hall NY | OR VICE VERSA |
| 1973-03-18 | Waterbury | no title (2 tracks) |
1973-03-17+ 1972-09-22 |
RCMH,NY+Hollywood Bowl | OR VICE VERSA + Hollywood Bowl recorder 1 |
| 1973-03-17 | RadioCity Hall NY | A Saucerful Of Secrets on "Dark Side Of Radio City"; on "Radio City Music Hall" (no label) | 1972-01-20 | Rainbow Theatre | |
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1973-05-18
1973-05-19 |
London soundcheck | Money | fake! | fake! | no Floyd |
| 1973-06-12 | Saratoga |
"Exploding In Your Mind" and "The Bright Side Of The Earth" |
1972-09-22 | Hollywood Bowl. | the PF didn't perform in this date! |
| 1973-06-23 | Detroit | "Olympia" | 1973-06-28 | Sportatorium, Florida | |
| 1973-08-?? | Cannes(Secret Gig) | A Saucerful Of Secrets | 1972-09-22 | Hollywood Bowl. | recorder 2 |
| 1973-09-24 | Atlanta | "Dark Night In Atlanta" | 1974-11-16 | London (BBC recording) | the PF didn't perform in this date! |
| 1974-06-26 | Paris | (all versions circulating) | 1974-11-17 | London | |
| 1974-06-18 | Tolouse | some supposed Radio recording of Echoes | 1972-12-02 | Saint Ouen | about 15 minutes |
| 1974-11-08 | Newcastle-upon-Tyne | (no titles) | 1974-11-09 | Newcastle-upon-Tyne | |
| 1974-11-08 | Newcastle-upon-Tyne | (no titles) | 1974-11-19 | Trentham Gardens, Stoke-on-Trent | second set of 74-11-19 |
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1974-11-28 |
Liverpool | (all titles) | 1974-11-29 | Empire Theater, Liverpool | CAN BE VICE VERSA |
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1974-11-29 1974-11-30 |
Liverpool | (all titles) | 1974-11-28 | Empire Theater, Liverpool | CAN BE VICE VERSA |
| 1975-04-25 | Los Angeles | (all titles) | 1975-04-26 | Los Angeles | |
| 1975-06-07 | Atlanta, Georgia | (no titles) | 1975-06-28 | Ivor Wynne Stadium, Hamilton, Canada | |
| 1977-06-28 | Philadelphia | (no titles) | 1977-06-29 | Spectrum Theatre Philadelphia | recorder 1 - no encores |
| 2. "confused" dates | |||||
| claimed date | claimed venue | mislabeled title or song | real date | real venue | notes |
| 1969-04-14 | London | "The Massed Gadgets Of Auximines" (HL) | 1969-06-26 | Royal Albert Hall, London | do not confuse this with the HRV release, that's genuine |
| 1969-08-08 | Plumpton | Interstellar Overdrive on "Plumpton Racetrack" | 1968-05-06 | Palazzo Dello Sport, Rome | |
| 1971-02-11 | Birmingham |
Interstellar Overdrive on "Violence In Birmingham" LPs |
1970-02-20 | Lund, Sweden | |
| 1971-02-11 | Birmingham |
More Blues on "Violence In Birmingham" LPs |
1970-03-13 | Berlin | |
| 1971-11-06 | Cleveland | "Cleveland 1971" | 1971-11-20 | Taft Auditorium, Cincinnati | from both recorders, incomplete |
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1972-01-20 1972-01-21 |
Brighton & Portsmouth | "Eclipse of the Dark Side" |
1972-01-20 1972-01-22 |
Brighton & Wintergardens | the supposed Portsmouth rec. is really Wintergardens recorder 2! |
| 1972-01-28 | Leeds, Yorkshire | (no titles) | 1972-02-18 | Rainbow Theare London | |
| 1972-01-28 | Leeds, Yorkshire | (no titles) - fantapes | 1972-01-23 | Southampton | about 60m |
| 1972-02-17 | London | "The Best Of Tour 72" / ''Dark Side Of The Sky" /''Forbidden Samples" / ''The Live Side Of The Moon" / ''Time (Live & Studio Anthology)" / "Best Of Pink Floyd" / ''Beyond The Stars" / ''Dark Side Of The Moon Live"/ ''Full Moon And Smiling Skies" / ''In Celebration Of The Comet - The Coming Of Kahoutek" / ''Nordestar" (there should be much more titles) | 1972-02-20 | Rainbow Theatre, London | radio source |
| 1972-02-17 | London |
"Time Ends" (STTP162/163) |
1972-02-20+ 1972-02-17 |
Rainbow Theatre London | 2nd set actually from 72-2-17, but 1st from 72-2-20 (Radio) |
| 1972-03-09 | Osaka | "Fourth Eclipsed Night" (HL593/594) | 1972-03-08 | Festival Hall, Osaka | recorder 1 + ASOS from 71-8-9 |
| 1972-03-09 | Osaka |
A Saucerful Of Secrets on "Fourth Eclipsed Night" |
1971-08-09 | Festival Hall, Osaka | this RoIO is TOTALLY mislabeled |
| 1972-09-10 | Dallas | (no titles) | 1972-04-28 | Chicaco | recorder 2 - some tapes circulated mislabeled, who knows why |
| 1973-06-24 | Cuyahoga Falls | "Cuyahoga Falls" | 1973-03-10 | Kent | the real 73-6-24 recording is incomplete (around 30m) |
| 1974-06-18 | Toulouse, France | SOYCD (1-5) on "Brain Damage" (MAW) | 1974-11-04 | Usher Hall, Edinburgh | the cover just says 'first SOYCD live performance' |
| 1973-06-22 | Detroit | fantapes like this | 1973-06-28 | Hollywood, Florida | |
| 1974-06-24 | Paris | "Shine On Paris" | 1974-06-22 | Colmar | |
| 1974-11-04 | Usher Hall, Edinburgh | (all titles circulating) | 1974-11-05 | Usher Hall, Edinburgh | OR VICE VERSA |
| 1974-11-05 | Usher Hall, Edinburgh | (all titles circulating) | 1974-11-04 | Usher Hall, Edinburgh | OR VICE VERSA |
| 1974-11-13 | Bristol | Bristol 13 December 1974 | 1974-11-14 | The Hippodrome, Bristol | same rec. than the common one but with U&T complete. |
| 1975-04-26 | Los Angeles | Money on "Movin' Time" | 1975-06-18 | Boston Gardens, Boston | recorder |
| 1975-04-27 | Los Angeles | "hogs in the smog" | 1975-04-26 | Sports Arena, Los Angeles | |
| 1975-06-10 | Landover | Dark Side set and Echoes on the untitled-claimed-complete Landover 10.6.75 RoIOs | 1975-06-09 | Capitol Center, Landover | first set is genuine |
| 1975-06-12/13 | Philadelphia |
these are the same show / maybe just different taper (but the sound from same recorder to me); so one recording is fake, but I have no idea if the real date is 13 or 12 June |
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| 1975-06-16 | Long Island | Us And Them on "Randon Precision" | 1975-06-18 | Boston Gardens, Boston | recorder 1 |
| 1977-01-29 | Berlin | "Berlin Mix Desk" |
1977-01-29+ 1977-02-01 |
Berlin + Vienna | soundboard |
| 1977-02-20 | Antwerp, Belgium | "Animals Over Europe" | 1977-02-22 | Paris | |
| 1977-03-17 | London | SOYCD and U&T on this version | 1977-03-18 | London (rec.1) | genuine fantapes are in circulation |
| 1977-03-18 | London | U&T on this version | 1977-01-23 | Dortmund (rec.1) | genuine fantapes are in circulation |
| 1977-05-07 | Anaheim | "California Pigs" | 1977-01-27 | Frankfurt | recorder 2 |
| 1977-06-19 | Chicago | "Wild Animals On" | 1977-06-27 | Boston | claimed "rec. 2 - mp3 master" |
| 1987-09-14 |
Montreal |
"Montreal 87" |
1987-09-16+ 1987-09-14 |
Montreal + Cleveland | first set = Cleveland 87-9-16 / second set = Montreal 87.9.14 |
| 1987-09-16 | Cleveland | "CLEVELAND 16.9.87" LP | 1987-09-17 | Cleveland | |
| 1988-02-02 | Sydney | "Sydney Australia 88.02.02" | 1988-02-03 | Sydney | OR VICE VERSA |
| 1988-02-03 | Sydney | "Sydney Australia 88.02.03" | 1988-02-02 | Sydney | OR VICE VERSA |
| 1990-06-30 | Knebworth | "THE KNEBWORTH TALES 90" | 1990-06-30 + official | Knebworth + official | |
| 1994-04-20 | Oakland | "The 1994 West Coast Trip" | 1994-03-30 | Miami | |
| 1994-09-25 | Lausanne | "Floyd In Europe" | 1987 / 94 | official | |
| David Gilmour's dates | |||||
| 1984-06-29 | Berkeley, CA | New Game | 1984-06-29 | San Francisco, CA | |
| Roger Waters' dates | |||||
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| 1967 July 23 - Cosmopolitan Ballroom, Carlisle, Cumbria, Scotland (Reaction In G / Set The Controls) |
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often included in compilations or as bonus tracks these 2 songs are really from the 'common' BBC recording at Playhouse Theatre, London 67-09-25. The Pink Floyd really played on 67-07-23 at the Cosmopolitan Ballroom, Carlisle (supported by The Lemon Line and The Cobwebs) but no recording is circulating of that event.
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| 1967 October 18 or 19 University College London |
| big fake, first only "Around The Mystic" RoIO was around (cover says 10-19 but the Floyd never performed in that date, they rather did on 10-18) now it's also around as University College London 69-10-18 actually but it's just a big fake!, only a compilation. |
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| 1970 March 30 - Hall des Expositions, Bourget, France |
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the PF really performed at
'Le Festival Musique Evolution' at the Hall des Expositions in
Bourget and extracts were shown on French TV on 16th
April 1970 but no recording is circulating,
the recordings around claiming this date are big big fakes only, probably
somebody traded for that changin the date of 20th with 30th by chance or on
purpose, this is really the incomplete recording of Lund, Sweden 70-03-20.
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| 1970 October 16 - Pepperland Auditorium, San Rafael, California |
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I honestly don't know what makes someone suppose
the Cymbalyne LP could be from October 16, I didn't get a full scan of the LP
label, maybe that's written right there?; the pf-roio db reports that wrong date
too. All the versions in circulation are sourced from the LPs; different
editions did exist also entitled: "Live"
(Dittolino); "Untitled
/Cymbalyne" (PF 2804-2); "Cymbalyne"
(LXXXIV SERIES #16 or SMOCKING PIG or TMQ 2804); they all have the same contents
but were released by different labels. I did get a raw rip from the PF 2804-2 LP
but several different transfers into CDs exist and also several fantapes also
having this LP source mixed with other dates, as the fake
Fillmore East 70.4.9; all the rips/fantapes can have a different indexing/speed
etc...; all of them are really the recorder 2 of Santa Monica 70-10-23 (this
recorder appeared on this LP only so far) and a genuine recording of October 16
never circulated at now.
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| 1972 May 20 - Stuttgart, West Germany |
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supposed recording for this date is around with the title: "Boeblingen" .... this is indeed Boeblingen 1972-11-15 - same recorder than Just Another Gig in Böblingen, The Great Gig In Böblingen etc... the version I got is very poor in sound, with a bunch of NR used and gaps between tracks tracklist for this fake recording is: CD1
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| 1973 March 15 Philadelphia - the WNEW broadcast" |
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this is a very hard-to-dismislabel
recording ... all the collectors agree on this: no recordings of the Philadelphia 1973-3-15
show is circulating, and above all there were no Radio recording or broadcast! ... listening to the
1974 NOV 16 BBC broadcast and the 1973 March 15 WNEW, NY
broadcast it's obvious they are the same performance, though the WNEW
radio announcer states wrongly the Philly 73 date during the broadcast ... and uhh, it's
like a Pandora's Box ... a bunch of mislabeled RoIOs came out, and many still
keep on coming out!!! ... here are some titles: "Dark Soundboard Of
Philadelphia" (highland) ; "Dark Side Of Philly" ; "Pink Zoning" again, all the supposed Philly '73 recordings are the same stuff, actually the WNEW broadcast of the 1974 NOV 16 gig (from soundboard, originally broadcasted for BBC radio). stop spreading this WNEW broadcast as Philly '73 please!! see details for "Dark Soundboard Of Philadelphia" some versions circulating with this date could be also 1973-3-11 or 3-18.
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| 1974 November 4/5 - Usher Hall, Edinburgh, Lothian, Scotland |
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Thanks to
TJ, who took care of asking for information directly to the Usher Hall, it was
reported
that the Pink Floyd never performed on November 5, the only date they performed
at the Usher Hall in '74 was November 4 ... but it seems that 2 dates really
exist and all these versions should be actually from November 5, not November 4:
"USHER
HALL" ; "PICTS IN THE
HIGHLANDS"
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| 1974 November 8 - The Odeon, Newcastle-upon-Tyne, Tyne and Wear, England |
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there are tapes around like
this dated as November 8, they
are really just November 9, same source and length than "British
Winter Tour Vol. II" and the other tapes labeled Nov.9, like
this. Other tapes
cirrculated claiming to be from November 8 but being fake, some turned out to
coincide with the second set of 74-11-19 Stoke-on-Trent, same contents as
this
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| 1974 November 28, 29 and 30 - Empire Theater, Liverpool |
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Tapes labeled Nov 28, 29, 30 are in circulation all being the same performance, often from different recorders.. see here
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| 1968 April 19 - Piper Club, Rome, Italy |
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this recording appears as bonus in the Laughing
Madcaps' RoIO "Paradiso,
Amsterdam May 1968 LATE Show" (also known as "The
Complete Paradiso Tapes" etc...), they are two songs supposed to be from
this date at the legendary Piper Club in Rome, surely IO is really from the show
at the Palazzo Dello Sport of May 6 1968, still have to check the authenticity
of Astronomy Domine.
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| Wild Animals On: the 1977 June 19 THE MP3 MASTER |
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Wild Animals
On is one of the title this recording is going
around. there's this 77-06-19 Master (different recorder than Chicago 77
or A Stangr At Home etc...) that is told to have been seeded in MP3 only,
it does exist actually, but this Wild Animals
on (around in mp3 indeed) is really the *very common* Boston 77.6.27 recording ... how could
have been confused!?
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| Bristol 13 December 1974: the longer Bristol 74.12.14 |
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there's actually a genuine recording of Bristol
December 13 which is circulating with no specific title (see
details) and this mislabeled one has not a specific title as well actually,
this is around mislabled probably cause the 'common' Bristol 74.11.14 has U&T
cut whereas here it's not! ... all the RoIOs of Bristol 11.14 are sourced from
the T tape-copy (unknown generation and not 1st gen. as often listed) which has
the best sound for sure but has that cut on U&T unfortunately ... this
mislabeled one is from the same taper than the T tape-copy but was sourced from
another copy of the master having U&T complete .... the mislabeled versions
having U&T complete are of an inferior quality than the T tape anyway (just for
completists)
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| 3. "fake" tracks (listed alphabetically) |
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Pink Floyd - Astronomy Domine Demo
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